Posts by Muddy Waters

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Jehovah’s Witnesses rebuked by Royal Commission

by Watchtower-Free in

http://royalcommission.com.au/pells-appearance-postponed-jehovahs-witnesses-rebuked/.

Muddy Waters

Nice. I like how th article says Mr. Angus Stewart made 77 negative findings against Jehovahs Witnesses and their policies and practices.

And I LOVE the number 77!!! Heh. Remember when the Jdubs were so big on numbers and their meanings (such as 6 being imperfection, 12 the best number for organizational didoes); the number "7" represented perfection, ha. (7 was heavenly perfection and 10 was earthly perfection, or vice versa.)

And the Royal Commision even repeated it (for emphasis?) lol.

Given the Royal Commision's diligence, intelligence, and extraordinary research abilities and understanding of the JW religion, wouldn't it be neat if Mr.Stewart chose that number on purpose? But it could just be a cool fluke or coincidence. My imagination could be working way overtime. :D

(And not that I believe any of the WT's shit anymore, but this 77 number is really amusing for me!)

(... can you also tell that I was a very diligent student of WT crap once upon a time?)

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Going to the C.L.A.M.

by freemindfade in

so i haven't been to a midweek meeting in some time.... but i must attend this first clam (not to be confused with 'klan') meeting.

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want to take a look for curiosity sake then go back to never attending another midweek meeting again.

Muddy Waters

FMF, you must tell us how wonderful, exciting, and fascinating the new Clam meeting is! (Lol) -- And how many dubs are totally enthused, happy, and excited to partake of this new and wonderful spiritual gift!

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Another heavy load :Literature Cart Witnessing

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

jehovah's witnesses standing on a street corner publicly promoting the propaganda of the governing body!another ridiculous form of "forced loyalty" to jehovah.

"dirty work" that the wtbts make witnesses go through.preaching work '' lite''.putting more heavy loads on members while the ''faithful and discreet slave'' preach from warm studios without the humiliation.

what an embarrassment!.

Muddy Waters

I wonder if Jehovah can read carts? haha. After all, carts are supposed to have hearts.

(Referencing "The little cart with a big heart" - a song on one of the JW broadcasts.)

(They've got wheels and they've got racks, they've got books and they've got tracts -- but no Bibles!!!)

If I ever see one of these carts, I would go up to the JWs and ask where are their BIBLES?? Isn't their church (I would deliberately use that word, ha) called the Watchtower BIBLE & Tract Society?????

(Not that I personally care about the bible any more, but they claim to!)

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My Bethel Experience Part 7

by new boy in

besides the about 48 hours you worked there a week, you would have other duties too.

there was dish duties.

then you had the night watchmen duties.........once every 2-3 years in the home, you pulled an all night watchman duty.

Muddy Waters

Thank you for these stories!

It is fascinating to read about what happens at the "House of God" (bwhahahaha!!) - to peek behind the curtain, to peer into the most holy of holies, to see a side of the great Org that many of us never get to see.

It is looking into a sweat house of politics and disregard for basic human rights. To see how Jesus Christ's own "brothers" on earth treat each other (the "brother" claim is theirs, not mine!)

Thank you, and also to other ex-bethelites who share these eye-opening stories.

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Kim and mikeys chanel on YouTube they uploaded a video of more singing and dancing

by Crazyguy in

on their chanel they are showing a video of a special assembly day in belgium i believe.

the jws are dancing dressed in black and red, satanic colores.

singing and playing worldly songs and kingdom melodies.

Muddy Waters

What in the world....?? What the heck was that?? Totally gob smacked. Are these imitation JWs making fun of "real" JWs? How is this explained???

I am so discombobulated with this. All of it.

And Tight, I mean, super tight pants on some of the men. And wearing red & black? Are these people that clueless? (Yes, I know, some of them are!)

And a FEMALE conducting? Leading?? (Is leading in music okay?)

so utterly gone

... Unbelievable

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CEDARS (Again) Is it really about religious beliefs?

by Listener in

jw
friends

john cedars has posted his latest blog "the trouble with apostates (and why it shouldn't put you off becoming one)".

i acknowledge that he is entitled to his opionin just as we are ours but i am disappointed in some of his comments.. at this stage i'll try to be objective about it.

he is defending his own position after all.. what bothers me most is his comments about athiests and christians which he seems to identify as being in conflict with each other.

Muddy Waters

I'm a little late to the party, but I just read this and Cedar's page.

What I find amazing in this whole thing is that Cedar's whole blog article was a RED HERRING -- !!!

the REAL ISSUE was

*** COPYRIGHT ***

about the book he was distributing as a prize (CoC) and Mike and Kim called him out on it because it had been printed by a friend of his.

Rather than deal with the issue raised in the first place (which he only did by accusing them of the same, by their linking to a site which took you to a pdf download of the book), he then went on a whole SPREE regarding non-relevant types of activism and belief -- NONE of which addressed the orginal issue or topic in the first place -- the accusation of copyright violation!!!

He made a brief, "yeah I did it, oops, but so do other people" sort of defence, but the whole article went on forever and was full of rants and Rutherford-like accusations of evil opposers to his glorious, righteous self).

This is what boggled my mind when I read his blog and all the replies, where people accepted the red herring and didn't even wonder about his very WT-like bait-and-switch "defence".

What about THAT?? The damn copyright violation thing, which was supposed to be the crux of this very weird showdown?

And one cannot reply on his page if it is at all negative or even questioning of him. There is a lot of the WT programming in him, calibrating his brain....

It seems that when there is even a question put to him, he regards it as an attack.

The whole article was out of control.

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Blatant Lie, or Unwitting Contradiction?

by OneFingerSalute in

just a comment here about the idiocy of this mornings wt.. in one paragraph that was yapping about faith and prayer the writers made the statement that faith could be shown by praying for material things, not just spiritual things.

they used the "give us this day our daily bread" quote.. a couple paragraphs later they said prayers are only answered if they were in harmony with god's will.. so i guess it is god's will that my frail very elderly parents are virtually ignored by the congregation they are in.

i guess it is god's will that after over 135 years combined time in duh troof between them they are kicked to the curb, accused of being selfish, unloving and they are laughed at and ridiculed by the eldurrs, the eldurrs families, and sheeple in general because of the frailties of old age.. they (that congregation) will be damned by god for their cruelty..

Muddy Waters

Well, that's new. I don't ever remember being encouraged to pray for material things. It was the SPIRITUAL stuff that trumped everything.

After all, we were all supposed to keep our eye simple, put kingdom interests first, not show a materialistic spirit, and be satisfied with our daily bread.

Could Jehovah's chariot be trundling down to the local Harrod's, then?

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The folly of Watchtower's theodicy. Or, why would an all-powerful and all-wise God need to justify his sovereignty through suffering?

by Island Man in

watchtower says that evil and suffering exist at present to vindicate jehovah as being the only one qualified to govern; to bear witness to man's inability to govern himself independent of god and under satan's direction.

the claim is made that the questions raised by satan regarding god's motives as universal sovereign can only be answered by allowing humans to see the evil and suffering that results when man lives independent of god's protection and direction.. watchtower and jws seem to think that this is the best theodicy in the world.

but there are some serious flaws in it.. 1. such a theodicy suggests that all perfect and intelligent creation, up until the advent of adam and eve, did not know god and his ways well enough to be confident that his motives as universal sovereign are pure.

Muddy Waters

Bravo, Island man. I love logical thinking. Can't get enough of it now!

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WTBTS Submissions to Royal Commission on abuse: The response document in FULL

by JWchange in

it is not obvious if someone has already put the responses and excuses to the findings of the royal commission, by watchtower on this forum somewhere, sorry if it is already posted.

click on the link below, and scroll down to 'submissions' near bottom of page and you can download the full document.

if this link doesn't work.

Muddy Waters

Thank you, Mephis! Wow. Shoulda known the WT was cherry picking again.....

And yes, Vidiot, I laughed too at the euphemism, "without artifice". More like bumbling, uneducated, ill prepared, presumptuous, fools.

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WTBTS Submissions to Royal Commission on abuse: The response document in FULL

by JWchange in

it is not obvious if someone has already put the responses and excuses to the findings of the royal commission, by watchtower on this forum somewhere, sorry if it is already posted.

click on the link below, and scroll down to 'submissions' near bottom of page and you can download the full document.

if this link doesn't work.

Muddy Waters

OMG, they are so full of themselves.

Here is one excerpt from the WTs submission:

"....

9.26 On a global basis the honesty, candour, and quality of the elders’ evidence should be acknowledged by the Commission along the lines of that reported by Janet Fife-Yeomans at page 32 of “The Daily Telegraph” on 1 August, 2015: While people from other churches dragged to the Royal Commission have obviously been coached by PR gurus and lawyers in how to present themselves and say the right thing, the Jehovah’s Witnesses were totally devoid of artifice."